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    Money and health are not genuinely good — they are 'indif... — Carmelics
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    Money and health are not genuinely good — they are 'indifferents', neither good nor bad.

    Virtue Ethics
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    • 1.Whatever is genuinely good must benefit its possessor under all circumstances.
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    • 2.There are circumstances in which health or money do not benefit their possessor (e.g., wealth spent on harmful things).
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    • 3.If something fails to benefit its possessor in even some circumstances, it cannot be genuinely good.
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    • 1.Aristotle argues in the Nicomachean Ethics that external goods like health and resources are necessary conditions for eudaimonia, not merely instrumental aids.
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    • 2.A person systematically deprived of health or material sufficiency lacks the developmental conditions required for virtue to be expressed and sustained over a lifetime.
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    • 3.If virtue itself requires external goods as enabling conditions, those goods partially constitute the good life and cannot be classified as genuinely indifferent.
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    • 1.The Stoic supporting argument conflates 'not unconditionally beneficial' with 'not genuinely good', but most recognized goods admit of misuse without losing their status as goods.
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    • 2.Aristotle's doctrine of the mean already concedes that courage or generosity can be misapplied, yet Stoics themselves classify virtues as genuine goods despite this vulnerability.
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    • 3.If the capacity for misuse disqualifies health and wealth from being genuine goods, the same logical structure would disqualify virtues, generating a reductio the Stoics cannot easily absorb.
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    The best way into the thicket of Stoic ethics is through the question of what is good, for all parties agree that possession of what is genuinely good secures a person’s happiness. The Stoics claim that whatever is good must benefit its possessor under all circumstances. But there are situations in which it is not to my benefit to be healthy or wealthy. (We may imagine that if I had money I would spend it on heroin which would not benefit me.) Thus, things like money are simply not good, in spit
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