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    Aristotle's final causality solution is insufficient to explain why the heavenly spheres and their incorporeal movers exist

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    • 1.Aristotle's unmoved mover causes motion as an object of desire, presupposing a desiring subject whose very existence remains unexplained.
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    • 2.Al-Farabi's emanationist framework shows that existence itself must overflow from the First Cause, making final causality alone causally incomplete.
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    • 3.Avicenna's distinction between necessary and contingent existence demonstrates that motion-explaining causes cannot substitute for existence-grounding causes.
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    • 1.Plotinus demonstrated that the One's causal efficacy is productive of being itself, not merely directive of pre-existing entities toward ends.
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    • 2.A mover that explains only the 'how' of activity without explaining the 'that' of existence leaves the ontological question of substance fundamentally unanswered.
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    • 1.Final causality can at best explain why an already-existing substance moves, not why it exists
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    • 2.Aristotle assumes the incorporeal substances and spheres exist rather than deriving their existence from the First
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    • 3.A complete causal account of the First must explain the existence of other substances, not merely their motion
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    Fârâbî gives no further explanation of how or why the existence of X can be a sufficient cause of the existence of Y. (He says that the existence of Y “emanates” [using the root f-y-ḍ] from the existence of X, but this is just a technical term meaning that X’s existence, rather than some further act of X, causes Y to exist; the term “emanation” does not explain how this happens, and Fârâbî does not pretend that it does.) He just infers that this must happen in some cases, since more than one thi
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