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    Arnauld's collapse of idea into perception cannot account for the asymmetric causal requirement that ideas with greater objective reality demand causes of proportionally greater formal reality.

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    • 1.Descartes' causal principle requires cause proportionality: ideas of infinite perfection need infinite causes, not finite minds.
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    • 2.If ideas collapse into perceptions, distinctions between objective and formal reality dissolve, eliminating the proportionality constraint.
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    • 3.Arnauld cannot explain why a finite mind's perception of God demands God's existence without reintroducing the objective/formal distinction.
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    • 1.Arnauld's reduction of ideas to perceptions may preserve proportionality by reformulating it in terms of perceptual content demands, not metaphysical distinctions.
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    • 2.The objective/formal reality distinction itself may be conceptually confused; collapsing it could clarify rather than undermine causal explanation.
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    • 3.Alternative causal principles (genetic or explanatory sufficiency) might account for complex ideas without requiring Descartes' specific asymmetric framework.
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    Key Terms

    Arnauld(as a historical figure in metaphysics)
    Antoine Arnauld was a 17th-century French philosopher and theologian who thought deeply about logic and how ideas relate to reality.
    asymmetric(as used in logic and epistemology)
    When two things are treated differently or unequally, rather than being balanced or fair—like giving one side of an argument more weight than the other.
    causal requirement(logical relationship being discussed)
    A principle stating that something must have a cause, and there are specific rules about what kinds of causes can produce what kinds of effects.
    formal reality(Used in Descartes' causal principle in Meditation III)
    The degree of reality a thing possesses in itself, as an actually existing entity
    idea(Hume's usage, narrower than Locke's and Descartes' use of 'ideas' to cover all immediate objects of consciousness)
    A copy or subsequently recalled perception, derived from an original impression
    objective reality(Contrasted with formal reality in Descartes' causal principle in Meditation III)
    The degree of reality belonging to the object or content represented by an idea, as it exists within the idea
    perception(Hume's theory of ideas)
    Any mental activity that brings something before the mind; the basic unit of mental life in Hume's theory of ideas.
    proportionally greater(describing the relationship between cause and effect)
    An increase that matches or corresponds to another increase—so if one thing doubles, the other should also double in a matching way.

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