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    The sun can be called an 'idea of the sun' without the idea being a separate entity distinct from the perception itself

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    • 1.The perception of the sun is a real mode of thinking that essentially makes the sun present to the mind
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    • 2.The sun deserves the extrinsic denomination 'idea of the sun' in virtue of this perception
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    • 1.Malebranche's representationalist account holds that ideas must be ontologically distinct objects in God's mind to explain universal and necessary cognition.
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    • 2.If the sun-idea just is the perceptual mode, then two minds perceiving the sun have numerically distinct ideas, undermining any shared epistemic access to the same object.
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    • 3.Extrinsic denomination cannot ground intentionality without a real relatum: the 'of-ness' in 'idea of the sun' requires a mediating entity beyond the mental act itself.
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    • 1.Descartes in the Third Meditation distinguishes formal reality (the mode of the idea) from objective reality (the represented content), treating these as genuinely separable properties.
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    • 2.Arnauld's collapse of idea into perception cannot account for the asymmetric causal requirement that ideas with greater objective reality demand causes of proportionally greater formal reality.
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    • 3.Without a distinct ideational entity carrying objective reality, Descartes's causal argument for God's existence loses its structural premise and becomes invalid.
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    The first apparent contradiction arises because Arnauld maintains that we directly perceive extended objects and yet that we do so by means of ideas in our mind. The solution is that the perception, e.g., of the sun, is a real mode of thinking which essentially makes the sun present to the mind, and in virtue of which the sun deserves the extrinsic denomination ‘idea of the sun’ (p. 22). The second apparent contradiction arises from the Port-Royal theory of language. According to the Logic, lang
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