Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    Home/Original/inverse
    See Original
    Inverse View

    It is not the case that Asymmetry in a relation does not entail numerical distinctness of the relata, as a thing can stand in an asymmetric relation to itself (e.g., self-causation in Spinoza).

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

    1 perspective
    Reason for
    ?
    • 1.Asymmetry requires xRy to differ from yRx; with one relatum, there is only one ordered pair, so asymmetry becomes vacuous.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Self-causation conflates logical dependence with causal production; a thing's nature explaining its existence differs from causing itself.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.If x causes x, then x both precedes and is preceded by itself temporally, generating contradiction incompatible with asymmetry.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    1 perspective
    Reason against
    ?
    • 1.Asymmetry is defined by logical form (if xRy then not yRx), not by metaphysical distinctness of relata.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Self-relations exist (e.g., self-identity, self-awareness); asymmetric self-relations are conceptually coherent.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Spinoza's substance causes itself by being the active principle of its own existence, instantiating asymmetry without numerical distinctness.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.