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    Asymmetry in a relation does not entail numerical distinc... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→God-as-knower is not numerically the same as God-as-known.

    Asymmetry in a relation does not entail numerical distinctness of the relata, as a thing can stand in an asymmetric relation to itself (e.g., self-causation in Spinoza).

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    • 1.Asymmetry is defined by logical form (if xRy then not yRx), not by metaphysical distinctness of relata.
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    • 2.Self-relations exist (e.g., self-identity, self-awareness); asymmetric self-relations are conceptually coherent.
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    • 3.Spinoza's substance causes itself by being the active principle of its own existence, instantiating asymmetry without numerical distinctness.
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    • 1.Asymmetry requires xRy to differ from yRx; with one relatum, there is only one ordered pair, so asymmetry becomes vacuous.
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    • 2.Self-causation conflates logical dependence with causal production; a thing's nature explaining its existence differs from causing itself.
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    • 3.If x causes x, then x both precedes and is preceded by itself temporally, generating contradiction incompatible with asymmetry.
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