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    Berkeley's idealism distinguishes real ideas (coherent, l... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Epistemic facts are trivially mind-dependent under Berkeleyan idealism.

    Berkeley's idealism distinguishes real ideas (coherent, law-governed, God-sustained) from imaginary ones, preserving a robust reality/appearance distinction.

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    • 1.Real ideas exhibit mathematical regularity and causal laws; imaginary ideas lack this structure, justifying Berkeley's distinction.
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    • 2.God's mind sustaining real ideas explains their stability across observers and independence from individual perception.
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    • 3.Coherence and law-governance preserve empirical science's validity despite rejecting material substance.
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    • 1.God sustaining ideas is unfalsifiable and thus explanatorily idle—coherence alone could ground the distinction.
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    • 2.Berkeley's framework conflates epistemic reliability (law-governed ideas) with ontological reality, without justifying this move.
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    • 3.The reality/appearance distinction collapses if both are ultimately ideas in minds; calling some 'real ideas' merely relabels rather than solves the problem.
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