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    It is not the case that Both Jacob and Esau were justly subject to condemnation prior to any works of their own.

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    • 1.Moral condemnation requires the capacity for voluntary agency; inherited guilt from Adam violates this by punishing beings for acts they could not have chosen.
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    • 2.Kant's categorical imperative establishes that persons must be treated as ends in themselves, making punishment for unchosen inherited sin categorically impermissible.
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    • 3.Ezekiel 18:20 explicitly repudiates inherited guilt, stating 'the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father,' grounding anti-hereditary-guilt objections within scripture itself.
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    • 1.Pelagius argued, against Augustine, that humans retain genuine free will uncorrupted by Adam's fall, making 'original damnation' a category error rather than a theological datum.
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    • 2.If both Jacob and Esau were equally condemned prior to works, God's subsequent election of Jacob over Esau collapses into arbitrary predestination, undermining the justice the claim purports to establish.
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    • 1.Both twins were 'by nature children of wrath,' not because of any works of their own.
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    • 2.They were both bound in the fetters of damnation originally forged by Adam.
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