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    Challenges→Both Jacob and Esau were justly subject to condemnation prior to any works of their own.

    If both Jacob and Esau were equally condemned prior to works, God's subsequent election of Jacob over Esau collapses into arbitrary predestination, undermining the justice the claim purports to establish.

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    Key Terms

    Condemned(theological ethics)
    In religious contexts, judged as guilty or deserving punishment, typically for sin or moral wrongdoing.
    Election(theology and predestination)
    In theology, God's act of choosing certain people for salvation or special favor, often before they've done anything to earn it.
    Jacob and Esau(biblical theology and philosophy)
    Twin brothers in the Bible whose story is used in theological debates about whether God chooses people arbitrarily or based on justice; God chose Jacob over Esau before they were born or had done anything.
    Justice(Utilitarian account of justice; contrasted with non-utility-based theories)
    A name for certain classes of moral rules which concern the essentials of human well-being more nearly than other rules for the guidance of life, carrying more absolute obligation.

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    Prior to works(theology and ethics)
    Before any actions or deeds have been performed; referring to a judgment made without considering what someone has actually done.
    arbitrary(Debate over Locke's watch passage and natural kind classification)
    Does not mean 'random' or that all qualities are equally adequate as differentia; refers instead to the availability of multiple similarly good and natural grounds for classification.
    predestination(Augustine's theology of grace and election)
    God's decision 'before the constitution of the world,' in a non-temporal manner matching his eternal being, regarding who will be exempted from the damnation awaiting fallen humankind and who will not

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