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    It is not the case that Certainty equal to first principles requires indubitability, but acts of willing or perceiving can be doubted under Cartesian dream and demon scenarios without contradiction.

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    • 1.The content of thoughts and perceptions is inseparable from their occurrence; doubting their accuracy doesn't establish indubitability.
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    • 2.If willing and perceiving can be doubted without contradiction, they fail the criterion for certainty equal to first principles by definition.
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    • 3.The claim conflates logical possibility of error with actual indu­bitability—thoughts are doubtable, so they lack first-principle status.
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    • 1.Descartes' cogito survives doubt because the act of thinking itself cannot be coherently denied without self-refutation.
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    • 2.Perceptions and willings are representational states that could misrepresent their objects, making them conceptually separable from reality.
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    • 3.First principles must be self-evident and foundational; only thoughts that require their own existence to be doubted qualify.
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