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    Charmides and Lysis are not among Plato's earliest works ... — Carmelics
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    Charmides and Lysis are not among Plato's earliest works even within the early group.

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    • 1.In Charmides and Lysis, Socrates appears to play a more active role in shaping the progress of the dialogue.
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    • 2.Socrates having more ideas of his own indicates a more developed authorial stage than the earliest Socratic dialogues.
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    • 1.Socratic 'aporia' endings in Charmides and Lysis mirror the aporetic structure of undisputedly early dialogues like Euthyphro and Laches.
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    • 2.The presence of aporia as a terminal device is a stronger stylistic marker of early composition than the degree of Socratic initiative within a dialogue.
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    • 3.If aporia-endings reliably signal early composition, then Charmides and Lysis cannot be distinguished from the earliest works on structural grounds alone.
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    • 1.Stylometric analyses by Brandwood and Ledger place Charmides and Lysis statistically indistinguishable from Euthyphro, Ion, and Hippias Minor.
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    • 2.Inferring developmental stage from Socrates' rhetorical activity conflates dramatic characterization with authorial maturity, a methodological error Vlastos warned against.
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    Many contemporary scholars find it plausible that when Plato embarked on his career as a philosophical writer, he composed, in addition to his Apology of Socrates, a number of short ethical dialogues that contain little or nothing in the way of positive philosophical doctrine, but are mainly devoted to portraying the way in which Socrates punctured the pretensions of his interlocutors and forced them to realize that they are unable to offer satisfactory definitions of the ethical terms they used
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