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    Clifton's argument depends on a state that may be difficult to produce or isolate

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    • 1.Clifton's argument requires fixing a state experimentally where v(Sx)=0
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    • 2.Fixing such a state experimentally is not an easy matter
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    • 1.Experimental difficulty in producing a state is an engineering constraint, not a principled logical or metaphysical objection to an argument's validity.
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    • 2.The history of physics shows that states once deemed practically inaccessible (e.g., single-photon states) later became routine laboratory preparations.
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    • 1.Theoretical arguments in quantum foundations, like Bell's theorem, retain their philosophical force independently of whether ideal experimental conditions are fully achievable.
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    • 2.Clifton's argument targets the logical consistency of hidden-variable assignments, a domain where practical realizability of states is conceptually irrelevant to the proof's soundness.
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    Clifton’s argument uses 8 (or 13) observables, fixes a value of one of them (Sx) and derives a HV prediction at variance with a QM prediction for a second one (Sx′). Hence, if a state can be produced where the QM system definitely has value v(Sx)=0 the predictions can be tested empirically. But fixing such a state experimentally is not an easy matter. So Clifton’s argument depends on a state that may be difficult to produce or isolate. Recently, a construction of 13 observables has been found th
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