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    It is not the case that Conceiving of God and science as competing explanations fails to grasp the relationship between God and the natural world.

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    • 1.Some theological traditions, including occasionalism (Malebranche) and divine conservationism, hold that God is the proximate cause of all natural events.
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    • 2.If God directly causes natural phenomena, then positing God and natural explanations as competing accounts of the same events is conceptually coherent.
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    • 3.Therefore the 'different levels' response fails for traditions that reject secondary causation as genuinely efficacious.
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    • 1.Alvin Plantinga's model of divine action requires God to intervene in the natural causal order in particular ways, as in miracles or quantum-level guidance.
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    • 2.When God acts within the physical order to produce specific outcomes, God functions as a cause among causes in the very sense the claim denies is possible.
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    • 3.The claim that God is never a cause within the natural world is therefore in tension with orthodox accounts of special divine action and miracle.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Treating God and science as rivals implicitly conceives of God as one more cause within the natural world.
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    • 2.If God exists, God is the creator of the natural world and is not a cause within it.
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    • 3.Therefore the rivalry framing misrepresents what God is.
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