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    Consciousness must have ontological priority over externa... — Carmelics
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    Consciousness must have ontological priority over external objects

    Consciousness & MindPerception
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    • 1.Non-existing entities can be consciously apprehended
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    • 2.If consciousness can apprehend non-existing entities, then consciousness does not require external objects as its basis
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    • 1.Perceptual experience exhibits a distinctive 'outward directedness' that is best explained by actual causal contact with mind-independent objects.
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    • 2.If consciousness were ontologically prior, the systematic reliability of perception across subjects would require an implausibly elaborate idealist explanation.
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    • 3.Vaibhāṣika realists argued that the causal efficacy distinguishing real from imagined objects cannot be grounded in consciousness alone.
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    • 1.The argument from dream cognition to idealism commits a scope fallacy: atypical cases of objectless awareness do not generalize to all conscious episodes.
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    • 2.Dignāga's own epistemology requires a causal constraint on valid cognition, presupposing that external causal relata fix the content of veridical perception.
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    In the Twenty Verses, Vasubandhu offers an elaborate defense of idealism. His arguments may be summarized as follows: Because non-existing entities can be consciously apprehended, consciousness must have ontological priority (VVS I, 1). The typical realist objection to an assertion of this sort concerns the causal function of perception: indeed, if mental content can be said to consciously arise without any reference to external objects, then why does it arise at a specific time and place and no
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