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    Democratic procedures cannot be intrinsically fair. — Carmelics
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    Democratic procedures cannot be intrinsically fair.

    Democracy & Governance
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    • 1.Procedural fairness requires equal treatment of persons, but majority rule systematically disadvantages persistent minorities regardless of merit.
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    • 2.Rousseau's general will cannot be reliably produced by aggregating individual wills, so majority outcomes need not track any fair collective standard.
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    • 3.A procedure is intrinsically fair only if its fairness is independent of outcomes, yet democratic legitimacy collapses when outcomes are persistently unjust to identifiable groups.
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    • 1.Christiano's epistemic defense of democracy grounds its value in producing just outcomes, conceding that procedural fairness alone is insufficient for democratic legitimacy.
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    • 2.If democracy's justification is irreducibly epistemic or instrumental, then its claim to intrinsic fairness is abandoned even by its strongest academic defenders.
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    • 1.A fair decision making function must transform any set of individual preferences into a rational collective preference.
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    • 2.No general rule satisfying reasonable constraints can be devised that transforms any set of individual preferences into a rational social preference (Arrow's impossibility result).
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    • 3.If no such general rule exists, then no intrinsically fair collective decision making process can exist.
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    Other arguments question the coherence of the idea of intrinsically fair collective decision making processes. For instance, social choice theory questions the idea that there can be a fair decision making function that transforms a set of individual preferences into a rational collective preference. The core objection is that no general rule satisfying reasonable constraints can be devised that can transform any set of individual preferences into a rational social preference. And this is taken
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