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    Divine providence cannot exercise its relationship with t... — Carmelics
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    Divine providence cannot exercise its relationship with the inferior world as a direct causal relationship

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    • 1.If divine providence caused the inferior world directly, the noble (God) would come into being because of the ignoble (inferior things), and the earlier because of the later
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    • 2.Such a situation would be shameful and unsuitable for the First Principle
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    • 1.The argument conflates two distinct relations: ontological dependence (which would be shameful) and causal productivity (which expresses power and goodness).
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    • 2.Aristotle's own account of the unmoved mover permits indirect influence on the sublunary world, yet later Neoplatonists like Proclus showed direct emanation need not compromise the First Principle's self-sufficiency.
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    • 3.If mediated causation preserves divine dignity, the same shameful dependence reappears at each intermediate level, making the solution regressive rather than explanatory.
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    • 1.In Thomistic metaphysics, God's direct causation of lower beings does not imply dependence on them, since efficient causation flows from perfection to imperfection.
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    • 2.The noble-to-ignoble direction of causation means God's dignity is preserved precisely because causation originates in God's sufficiency, not in any need for inferior things.
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    ‘Abd al-Latif maintains that the action of God’s providence expresses itself both in the superior and in the inferior world; but if in the first case the relationship between divine providence and the superior world is immediate, in the second case it is mediated by the superior world. The relationship between divine providence and those who receive it, however, cannot be thought of as a causal relationship, since in this case “the noble would come into being because of the ignoble and the earli
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