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    It is not the case that ECT involves people being forever tortured in Hell with utmost intensity

    Aggregate Confidence:40%

    Reasons For

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    • Hell is eternal alienation from God
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • If the above is true, then it is not that ECT involves torturing people in Hell with utmost intensity
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Aquinas held that hell involves both poena damni (loss of God) AND poena sensus (positive sensory suffering), making both dimensions essential.
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    • 2.The poena sensus tradition, grounded in Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 20:10, specifies active torment, not merely privation or absence.
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    • 1.Alienation from God, the supreme good, would itself constitute maximal suffering for a conscious being whose nature is oriented toward that good.
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    • 2.If eternal separation from the highest good produces maximal suffering in conscious beings, then eternal alienation and utmost torment are not mutually exclusive but co-constitutive.
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