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    ECT produces infinite suffering with no restorative or eq... — Carmelics
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    Supports→Is is not that a principle of justice exists that supports ECT

    ECT produces infinite suffering with no restorative or equilibrating function, violating the Kantian requirement that punishment respect rational agency.

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    • 1.Kant's categorical imperative requires treating persons as ends-in-themselves, not merely as objects for consequentialist harm-reduction.
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    • 2.ECT involves involuntary neurological alteration that bypasses rational deliberation, thus denying the agency that Kantian respect requires.
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    • 3.If punishment cannot be justified to the rational agent undergoing it, it violates the social contract underlying legitimate state coercion.
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    • 1.ECT can be administered with informed consent to competent agents who rationally choose it, making the 'no agency' claim empirically false.
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    • 2.Kant permitted state punishment when proportionate to crime and publicly justified—ECT's outcomes don't necessarily violate this proportionality requirement.
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    • 3.Medical interventions (even coercive ones) respecting human dignity differ from punishment; conflating them obscures whether ECT is punishment or treatment.
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