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    Egalitarian principles of justice are triggered within ea... — Carmelics
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    Egalitarian principles of justice are triggered within each state, not across all states globally.

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    • 1.The state massively coerces its members but not outsiders.
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    • 2.The state claims to speak in the name of the members it coerces.
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    • 3.By claiming to speak in the name of its members, the state involves the will of those in whose name it claims to act.
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    • 1.Global economic institutions (WTO, IMF, World Bank) coerce individuals across state boundaries by structuring the terms of their economic interaction.
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    • 2.If coercion triggers egalitarian principles, then transnational coercive structures trigger those principles globally, not merely within states.
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    • 3.Pogge and Beitz demonstrate that the baseline of coercion required to activate justice is met at the global level, dissolving the state-boundary restriction.
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    • 1.The moral relevance of coercion derives from its capacity to impose involuntary disadvantage, not from its association with any particular institutional form like the state.
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    • 2.Individuals in poor states suffer involuntary disadvantage from global structures they had no part in designing and cannot exit, satisfying the normative condition coercion is meant to track.
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    • 3.Restricting egalitarian principles to the state therefore arbitrarily privileges the institutional vehicle over the moral feature—involuntary disadvantage—that actually grounds the principles.
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    Another possible idea in this area is that the state both massively coerces its members but not outsiders and also claims to speak in the name of the members who are coerced. By claiming to speak in our name, the state involves the will of those in whose name it claims to act. The state not only does but must claim to speak in the name of those it coerces; rulers of a state could not avoid the moral implications that flow from this claim by explaining that they are just authoritarian rulers, bos
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    The combination of massive coercion of members and the claim to speak in those m...
    The moral relevance of coercion derives from its capacity to impose involuntary ...
    The state claims to speak in the name of the members it coerces.
    The state compels obedience to its commands and affirms that these commands refl...
    The state massively coerces its members but not outsiders.
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