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    Epicurus and Lucretius argue that divine perfection entai... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Divine providence cannot be the source from which providence derives purely accidentally

    Epicurus and Lucretius argue that divine perfection entails complete self-sufficiency, making any providential relation to the world a deficiency in divine nature.

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    • 1.Perfect beings require nothing external; dependence on outcomes indicates lack of self-sufficiency and thus imperfection.
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    • 2.If a divine being cares about worldly affairs, its emotional states are affected by external events, compromising impassibility.
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    • 3.Providence requires constant attention to contingent matters, making the divine nature mutable and therefore less than perfect.
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    • 1.Self-sufficiency concerns internal completeness, not relational capacities; creating/sustaining creation needn't diminish perfection.
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    • 2.Divine action from love or wisdom need not entail emotional vulnerability; perfect beings could act providentially without being affected.
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    • 3.Necessary, timeless divine knowledge of contingents differs from mutable attention; providence compatible with immutability if atemporal.
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