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    It is not the case that Even as our Creator, God owes us nothing in our present condition.

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Creation itself establishes a fiduciary relationship: bringing rational beings into existence without consent generates obligations toward them.
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Kant's Formula of Humanity requires treating persons as ends in themselves, a duty that applies to any agent capable of rational recognition, including a Creator.
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    • 3.A Creator who foresees suffering and possesses the power to prevent it cannot coherently claim zero obligation without abandoning the moral framework that grounds the punishment itself.
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Inherited guilt for Adam's sin violates the Kantian and Lockean principle that moral responsibility requires personal agency and voluntary choice.
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.If original sin cannot ground genuine culpability, then the premise that humans 'deserve nothing but punishment' collapses, leaving God's alleged zero-obligation without justification.
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Thanks to original sin, we come into this earthly life already deserving nothing but everlasting punishment in hell.
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    • 2.Original sin is a just basis for condemnation.
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