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    Even as our Creator, God owes us nothing in our present c... — Carmelics
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    Even as our Creator, God owes us nothing in our present condition.

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    • 1.Thanks to original sin, we come into this earthly life already deserving nothing but everlasting punishment in hell.
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    • 2.Original sin is a just basis for condemnation.
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    • 1.Creation itself establishes a fiduciary relationship: bringing rational beings into existence without consent generates obligations toward them.
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    • 2.Kant's Formula of Humanity requires treating persons as ends in themselves, a duty that applies to any agent capable of rational recognition, including a Creator.
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    • 3.A Creator who foresees suffering and possesses the power to prevent it cannot coherently claim zero obligation without abandoning the moral framework that grounds the punishment itself.
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    • 1.Inherited guilt for Adam's sin violates the Kantian and Lockean principle that moral responsibility requires personal agency and voluntary choice.
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    • 2.If original sin cannot ground genuine culpability, then the premise that humans 'deserve nothing but punishment' collapses, leaving God's alleged zero-obligation without justification.
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    As these remarks illustrate, the Augustinian understanding of original sin implies that we are all born guilty of a heinous sin against God, and this inherited guilt relieves God of any responsibility for our spiritual welfare. In Augustine’s own words, “Now it is clear that the one sin originally inherited, even if it were the only one involved, makes men liable to condemnation” (Enchiridion, 50—italics added). Augustine thus concluded that God can freely decide whom to save and whom to damn without committing any injustice at all. “Now, who but a fool,” he declared, “would think God unfair e...

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