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    Even when rationality prevails in the world soul, there i... — Carmelics
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    Even when rationality prevails in the world soul, there is room for disharmony and disorder in the cosmos

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    • 1.In the human soul, the non-rational aspect is always capable of revolting against rationality even when the rational aspect rules
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    • 2.The world soul mirrors the structure of the human soul
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    • 3.Occurrences of badness such as accidents and natural catastrophes are evident in the world
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    • 1.A perfectly rational world soul, if genuinely omnipotent over matter, would by definition eliminate persistent disorder rather than merely contain it.
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    • 2.Plutarch's model conflates a soul that *predominates* over irrationality with one that *rules* it, making the world soul's rationality merely partial, not sovereign.
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    • 3.A partially rational cosmic principle cannot ground the theodicy Plutarch intends, since it replaces divine goodness with divine limitation.
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    • 1.Plotinus argues in the Enneads that apparent cosmic disorder is a necessary feature of emanation from the One, not evidence of a competing irrational soul-principle.
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    • 2.If disorder follows necessarily from the hierarchical structure of being itself, positing a distinct irrational element in the world soul is an ontologically redundant hypothesis.
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    • 3.Occam's Razor favors the Neoplatonic emanationist account, which explains disharmony without requiring Plutarch's dualistic world-soul structure.
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    Further, the existence of a pre-cosmic non-rational soul is suggested also if one considers the world soul and the human soul in conjunction. Already the Timaeus (34c, 41d-e, 69c) suggests a relation between the two. Plutarch takes the human soul to be derivative from the world soul, which means that their natures are similar (De an. procr. 1025A-D; see below, sect. 5). In Republic 4, in the Phaedrus and also in the Timaeus it is argued that the human soul has a rational and a non-rational asp
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    Plotinus argues in the Enneads that apparent cosmic disorder is a necessary feat...
    Plutarch's model conflates a soul that *predominates* over irrationality with on...
    The world soul mirrors the structure of the human soul
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