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    Facts about conscious experience cannot be fully understo... — Carmelics
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    Facts about conscious experience cannot be fully understood from a third-person objective point of view

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    • 1.Facts about what it is like to be a bat can be fully understood only from the bat-type point of view
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    • 2.Only creatures capable of having or undergoing similar experiences can understand the what-it's-likeness of those experiences in the requisite empathetic sense
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    • 3.Third-person perspectives, such as those associated with objective physical science, are outside perspectives that lack this empathetic access
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    • 1.Heterophenomenology, as developed by Dennett, treats first-person reports as third-person data points subject to the same interpretive methodology as any empirical evidence.
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    • 2.If a rigorous third-person methodology can systematically predict, explain, and interrelate all sincere first-person reports without remainder, the claim that something escapes objective understanding is an unverifiable assertion, not a demonstrated gap.
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    • 3.Unverifiable assertions about explanatory gaps bear the burden of proof that the hard problem literature has not yet discharged.
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    • 1.Mary the color scientist, upon leaving her black-and-white room, learns no new propositional fact but only acquires a new representational ability (knowing-how, not knowing-that).
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    • 2.If phenomenal knowledge is reducible to the acquisition of abilities rather than new facts, then all facts about conscious experience are already capturable within a complete third-person physical description.
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    On Thomas Nagel's (1974) account, facts about what it is like to be a bat are subjective in the relevant sense because they can be fully understood only from the bat-type point of view. Only creatures capable of having or undergoing similar such experiences can understand their what-it's-likeness in the requisite empathetic sense. Facts about conscious experience can be at best incompletely understood from an outside third person point of view, such as those associated with objective physical sc
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