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    Formal identity is stronger than real (or essential) identity

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    • Formal identity entails real (or essential) identity
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    • 1.Real (essential) identity can hold between entities that differ in formal or qualitative respects, as Kripke's rigid designator framework demonstrates.
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    • 2.If Hesperus and Phosphorus are essentially identical yet formally distinct (different descriptions, modes of presentation), essential identity does not entail formal identity.
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    • 3.Therefore formal identity cannot be stronger than essential identity if the entailment relation runs only one way and essential identity is ontologically more fundamental.
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    • 1.Scotus's formal distinction allows real entities to be really identical yet formally distinct, meaning formal non-identity is compatible with real identity.
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    • 2.If formal distinctness can coexist with real identity, then formal identity adds only an epistemic or descriptive constraint, not a deeper metaphysical one.
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    • 3.Metaphysical strength is measured by ontological priority, not descriptive precision, so real identity remains the stronger relation.
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    Like Penbygull, Sharpe considers identity and distinction (or difference) as the two possible inverse measures of the coincidence of the metaphysical components of two given entities (QsU., p. 92). Moreover, he speaks of formal and real (or essential) identity, and formal and real (or essential) distinction (or difference), and states that formal identity is stronger than real (or essential) identity, since the former entails the latter, while, on the contrary, real difference is stronger than f
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