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    Frege's distinction between sense and reference demonstra... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Thinking and being are not fundamentally opposed but are ultimately the same.

    Frege's distinction between sense and reference demonstrates that thought can fail to determine a unique referent, showing thought and being come apart systematically.

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    • 1.Frege's example 'Morning Star' and 'Evening Star' have identical reference but distinct senses, proving thought content differs from referential determination.
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    • 2.Empty names like 'Hamlet' have sense but no referent, demonstrating thought can be complete without determining what exists in the world.
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    • 3.Two thinkers can grasp identical senses yet fail to refer to the same object due to causal-historical facts beyond their conceptual content.
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    • 1.The sense/reference distinction shows thought *constrains* reference, not that it systematically fails—sense successfully guides reference in most cases.
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    • 2.Empty names may lack reference, but this reflects language's capacity to express uninstantiated concepts, not a failure of thought and being to connect.
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    • 3.Frege's account presupposes reference is independently determinate; the distinction proves only that determination requires more than sense alone.
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