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    It is not the case that God can believe the same propositions we do without thereby acquiring present-time knowledge or first-person knowledge of someone else.

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    • 1.Indexical propositions like 'I am in pain now' are not reducible to eternal propositions without loss of cognitive content, as Perry (1979) demonstrated.
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    • 2.If the proposition believed by God is the eternal variant, it is a numerically distinct proposition from the indexical one, so God and the agent do not believe the same proposition.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.First-person knowledge is constitutively tied to a particular perspective; Nagel and Castañeda argue no perspective-neutral proposition can fully capture 'what it is like' to be a specific subject.
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    • 2.If God's belief of a proposition lacks the requisite first-person perspective, it cannot be the same belief state, and the claim that God believes 'the same proposition' equivocates on propositional identity.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Knowledge of the present and of oneself may involve eternally true propositions, where what changes is our access to the propositions rather than the propositions themselves.
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    • 2.Such knowledge involves a special 'direct grasp' of a proposition, which leaves it open that God could believe the same propositions without ending up with present-time or first-person knowledge of someone else.
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