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    It is not the case that God does not have knowledge of future contingent events because it is impossible for anyone, including God, to know such true propositions.

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    • 1.God's knowledge is timeless and simultaneous with all events, so 'future' contingents are present to God's eternal now.
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    • 2.Boethius and Aquinas argued that God does not foreknow but rather 'now-knows' all events from an atemporal vantage point.
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    • 3.If God perceives all events as present rather than future, the epistemic barrier of future contingency never applies to divine knowledge.
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    • 1.Middle Knowledge (Molinism) holds that God knows counterfactuals of creaturely freedom, grounding knowledge of contingents without determining them.
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    • 2.Luis de Molina argued that God's scientia media is logically prior to creation, making future contingent knowledge neither foreknowledge nor determination.
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    • 3.If a coherent logical space exists for knowing what free agents would do under any circumstances, the universal impossibility claim in P2 is falsified.
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    • 1.Even if true propositions about future contingent events exist, knowing them may be impossible.
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    • 2.Impossibility of knowing future contingent propositions applies universally, including to God.
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