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    It is not the case that God is in time.

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.God's knowledge of tensed facts can be explained as a single eternal act of knowing all temporal perspectives simultaneously, not sequentially.
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    • 2.Aquinas's doctrine of the 'eternal now' (nunc stans) holds that God comprehends all moments of time in one timeless, unchanging act of intellection.
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    • 3.If God's knowing does not involve succession from one mental state to another, then the change in tensed facts entails no change in God's knowledge.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.The argument illicitly assumes that 'knowing that it is now 12:00' requires a temporally indexed mental state that itself exists at 12:00.
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    • 2.Boethius and Eleonore Stump argue that an eternal being relates to time as a spectator from outside the timeline, making 'now' relative to the creature, not to God.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.The theistic God is omniscient.
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    • 2.If there are fundamental tensed facts (like that it's 12:00), God knows them.
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    • 3.Since tensed facts change, what God knows changes constantly.
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