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    It is not the case that God is not in time.

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Relativity theory describes the structure of the physical universe, but does not exhaust the possible modes of temporal existence for non-physical entities.
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    • 2.A being capable of knowing tensed facts (e.g., 'the battle is happening now') must stand in some temporal relation to those facts.
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    • 3.God, on orthodox theism, knows all tensed facts, so God must be temporally located in some sense.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Divine action in history—creation, incarnation, providential response to prayer—entails a before-and-after structure incompatible with strict timelessness.
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    • 2.An entity that acts such that its actions have temporal effects must itself be temporally ordered relative to those effects, as argued by Nicholas Wolterstorff in 'God Everlasting'.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.God is immaterial.
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    • 2.If God is immaterial, then God is not in space.
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    • 3.According to relativity theory, anything that is in time is also in space.
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