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    It is not the case that God is timeless with respect to 'Measured Time' (the specifically human time of seconds, days, and centuries).

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    • 1.If God acts causally in time—answering prayers, creating, redeeming—then God sustains real temporal relations with created events.
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    • 2.An entity bearing real temporal relations to temporal events cannot be wholly outside time, even if it transcends 'measured' units.
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    • 3.Therefore, divine timelessness is incompatible with the orthodox theistic commitment to a personally interactive God (cf. Wolterstorff, 'God Everlasting').
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    • 1.Aquinas and Boethius ground divine timelessness in God's possession of 'tota simul'—all of existence simultaneously—derived from Neoplatonic metaphysics.
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    • 2.Modern physics reveals that simultaneity is frame-relative, not absolute, undermining the coherence of a single 'now' from which God surveys all time (cf. Padgett, 'God, Eternity and the Nature of Time').
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    • 3.If the metaphysical basis for divine timelessness collapses under scrutiny, the claim that God transcends 'measured time' loses its explanatory grounding.
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    • 1.'Measured Time' is the specifically human time of our history and our universe: the time of seconds, days, and centuries.
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    • 2.God transcends our time in the sense that he is the ground of time and is not negatively affected by its passage.
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