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    God is timeless with respect to 'Measured Time' (the spec... — Carmelics
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    God is timeless with respect to 'Measured Time' (the specifically human time of seconds, days, and centuries).

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    • 1.'Measured Time' is the specifically human time of our history and our universe: the time of seconds, days, and centuries.
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    • 2.God transcends our time in the sense that he is the ground of time and is not negatively affected by its passage.
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    • 1.If God acts causally in time—answering prayers, creating, redeeming—then God sustains real temporal relations with created events.
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    • 2.An entity bearing real temporal relations to temporal events cannot be wholly outside time, even if it transcends 'measured' units.
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    • 3.Therefore, divine timelessness is incompatible with the orthodox theistic commitment to a personally interactive God (cf. Wolterstorff, 'God Everlasting').
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    • 1.Aquinas and Boethius ground divine timelessness in God's possession of 'tota simul'—all of existence simultaneously—derived from Neoplatonic metaphysics.
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    • 2.Modern physics reveals that simultaneity is frame-relative, not absolute, undermining the coherence of a single 'now' from which God surveys all time (cf. Padgett, 'God, Eternity and the Nature of Time').
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    • 3.If the metaphysical basis for divine timelessness collapses under scrutiny, the claim that God transcends 'measured time' loses its explanatory grounding.
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    “Measured Time” is “the specifically human time of our history and our universe: the time of seconds, days, and centuries; the time of our space-time” (Padgett 1992: 130). In that sense of “time”, God is timeless. However, God is not timeless in the strict sense in which “time” refers to any kind of temporality, because God is in his own time. Does that mean God is only in his time and not in ours? No, he is in our time too (p. 131—at least saying this is “philosophically acceptable” (p. 126)), as we are in his. It’s just that he transcends our time. What does it mean to transcend our time? It...

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