Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    Home/Original/inverse
    See Original
    Inverse View

    It is not the case that God's conservation of a quantity of motion is compatible with finite minds initiating motion if God's decree itself constitutes a standing permission for such transfers, as Leibniz's vis viva framework suggests.

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

    1 perspective
    Reason for
    ?
    • 1.If God's decree merely 'permits' motion transfers, it remains unclear how this differs meaningfully from God actually causing each transfer event.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Leibniz's vis viva framework faces independent objections about energy conservation that undermine its reliability as a model for divine permission.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.A 'standing permission' concept requires explaining how permissive decrees bind God's will without being causal acts themselves—a potential logical gap.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    1 perspective
    Reason against
    ?
    • 1.God's decree can establish general laws that permit finite agents to transfer motion without requiring constant divine intervention in each act.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Leibniz's vis viva (living force) framework preserves God's ultimate conservation while allowing genuine agent causation within divinely permitted bounds.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Standing permissions avoid occasionalism's problem of denying finite causation while maintaining divine sovereignty over the total system.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.