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    It is not the case that God's deepest love for a person does not always require identifying with that person's own interests (in Jordan's sense of desires or goals).

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    • 1.Jordan defines a person's interest as merely a desire or goal had by that person—something that a person cares about.
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    • 2.God's deepest love for a person surely requires that God actually oppose or impede some of that person's interests.
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    • 3.Christians believe that God often disciplines those whom he loves and chastises every child whom he accepts (Hebrews 12:6).
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Aristotle distinguishes between what one desires (boulēsis) and what genuinely constitutes one's flourishing (eudaimonia), and these can radically diverge.
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    • 2.A physician who overrides a patient's preference for harmful treatment acts from deeper care than one who merely satisfies the patient's stated wishes.
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    • 3.Love oriented toward a person's objective good, not their subjective preferences, is the more robust account of genuine care in both virtue ethics and natural law traditions.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.Frankfurt's distinction between first-order desires and second-order volitions shows that a person's deepest identity is not reducible to their surface-level wants.
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    • 2.A parent who refuses to enable a child's self-destructive desires identifies with the child's higher-order self, not merely their momentary interests.
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    • 3.Loving identification with a person therefore requires attending to their hierarchically superior volitions even when this opposes their Jordan-style first-order desires.
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