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    God's deepest love for a person does not always require i... — Carmelics
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    God's deepest love for a person does not always require identifying with that person's own interests (in Jordan's sense of desires or goals).

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    • 1.Aristotle distinguishes between what one desires (boulēsis) and what genuinely constitutes one's flourishing (eudaimonia), and these can radically diverge.
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    • 2.A physician who overrides a patient's preference for harmful treatment acts from deeper care than one who merely satisfies the patient's stated wishes.
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    • 3.Love oriented toward a person's objective good, not their subjective preferences, is the more robust account of genuine care in both virtue ethics and natural law traditions.
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    • 1.Frankfurt's distinction between first-order desires and second-order volitions shows that a person's deepest identity is not reducible to their surface-level wants.
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    • 2.A parent who refuses to enable a child's self-destructive desires identifies with the child's higher-order self, not merely their momentary interests.
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    • 3.Loving identification with a person therefore requires attending to their hierarchically superior volitions even when this opposes their Jordan-style first-order desires.
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    • 1.Jordan defines a person's interest as merely a desire or goal had by that person—something that a person cares about.
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    • 2.God's deepest love for a person surely requires that God actually oppose or impede some of that person's interests.
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    • 3.Christians believe that God often disciplines those whom he loves and chastises every child whom he accepts (Hebrews 12:6).
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    In response to similar questions, Jeff Jordan has challenged the whole idea, which he acknowledges to be widely accepted among theistic philosophers, that “God’s love must be maximally extended and equally intense” (Jordan 2012, 53). According to Jordan, such maximally extended love would be a deficiency in any human who manifested it; hence, it should not be numbered among God’s perfections or great-making properties. Neither is it possible, he appears to argue, that God should love equally each and every created person. For “if God has deep attachments [with some of them], it follows that he...

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