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    God's giving is better described as lending than as givin... — Carmelics
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    God's giving is better described as lending than as giving in the translative sense.

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    • 1.Translative giving involves the giver's complete surrender of every connection to the gift.
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    • 2.God's giving is communicative, meaning God does not surrender the gift.
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    • 3.All that God gives to creation will ultimately return to God.
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    • 1.Aquinas holds that God's creative act genuinely establishes real relations and properties in creatures, granting them a participated but authentic ownership (ST I, q.44).
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    • 2.If creatures possess genuine participated being, then God's giving instantiates a real transfer of a kind of dominion, not merely a loan held in perpetual reserve.
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    • 3.Describing divine giving as lending obscures the ontological dignity of creaturely existence by reducing creatures to mere temporary custodians with no authentic stake in what they receive.
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    • 1.Lending presupposes a temporal interval between giving and return, but God's eternity collapses the distinction between bestowal and retrieval into a single act.
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    • 2.A metaphor that requires temporal succession is categorically inapplicable to an eternal, timeless agent, making 'lending' more misleading than 'giving'.
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    It is easy to confuse giving with lending because a lord who has only been “lent” a gift of God for use during his lifetime appears to have been “given” that gift. God's giving is communicative, not translative. For us, most giving is translative in that it involves the giver's surrender of every connection to the gift, making it natural for us to suppose that God renounces His authority over what He gives us. In fact, God's giving is communicative, which does not involve surrender of the gift.
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