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    It is not the case that Human nature is not good

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    • 1.Human nature is that which exists in human beings independently of conscious activity, not what is produced by conscious activity
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    • 2.Human beings are not already good but must work at becoming good
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    • 3.Therefore, goodness is not already present in human nature independently of conscious activity
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Xunzi argues that human nature (xing) includes desires for gain and sensory pleasure that, if unchecked, produce conflict and disorder.
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    • 2.Ritual and moral education (li) are external impositions required to reshape nature, not expressions of an innate goodness within it.
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    • 3.The necessity of such extensive external correction demonstrates that nature itself is the problem, not merely an incomplete or neutral substrate.
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    • 1.Hobbes independently concludes that humans in the state of nature pursue self-interest competitively, producing a war of all against all.
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    • 2.Cross-cultural convergence between Xunzi and Hobbes on natural human destructiveness constitutes strong empirical support for the claim.
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    • 3.If nature were good, sustained civilizational institutions correcting natural impulses would be explanatorily superfluous across all societies.
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