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    It is not the case that Ideas of memory cannot literally be the same ideas that were originally experienced

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    • 1.Hume's bundle theory allows that numerically distinct perceptions can be qualitatively identical, preserving type-identity across time.
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    • 2.The claim conflates token identity (same particular instance) with type identity (same kind of idea), which are distinct metaphysical relations.
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    • 3.Memory fidelity requires only type-identity of ideas, not token-identity, so cessation of original tokens is compatible with genuine memorial recurrence.
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    • 1.Aristotle's account in De Memoria holds that memory involves a persisting physiological trace (phantasma) causally continuous with the original perception.
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    • 2.If the original idea leaves a stable neurophysiological or representational trace, the memorial idea inherits its content through causal continuity, not mere resemblance.
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    • 3.Causal continuity theories from Grice to Shoemaker ground identity through reliable causal chains, making literal sameness of content defensible even across temporal gaps.
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    • 1.When consciousness of original ideas ceases, those original ideas cease to exist
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    • 2.Memory occurs after the original experience, when consciousness of the original ideas has ceased
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