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    If absence of pain constitutes the 'most complete' pleasu... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Freedom from pain and from distress is a kind of pleasure, specifically the most complete pleasure.

    If absence of pain constitutes the 'most complete' pleasure, then dreamless sleep and unconsciousness would represent the highest human good.

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    • 1.Pain is the primary negative experience humans actively seek to eliminate, making its absence the logical foundation of any pleasure definition.
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    • 2.Epicurus himself advocated for simple living and absence of pain over active pursuits, supporting a minimalist pleasure framework.
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    • 3.If pleasure is defined negatively (absence of bad) rather than positively (presence of good), unconsciousness logically maximizes this state.
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    • 1.A comatose person experiences no suffering but also no joy, achievement, or meaning—yet few would call this the highest human good.
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    • 2.Humans intrinsically value consciousness and engagement; we sacrifice comfort for experiences, suggesting pleasure requires awareness to be valuable.
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    • 3.The claim conflates pain-absence with pleasure itself, ignoring that many goods (love, accomplishment, beauty) are distinct from merely avoiding harm.
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