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    Freedom from pain and from distress is a kind of pleasure... — Carmelics
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    Freedom from pain and from distress is a kind of pleasure, specifically the most complete pleasure.

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    • 1.Katastematic pleasure refers to a state or condition, not a motion.
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    • 2.Freedom from pain and from distress is a state or condition.
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    • 3.Epicurus holds that this state qualifies as pleasure (Principal Doctrines III).
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    • 1.Pleasure and pain are phenomenologically distinct experiential states, not merely positions on a single continuum.
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    • 2.The absence of pain lacks the positive qualitative character that defines pleasure as a genuine hedonic state.
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    • 3.Aristotle argues in NE X.3-4 that pleasure is an activity accompanying flourishing, not a static condition of deprivation's absence.
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    • 1.Cicero (De Finibus II.9-10) argues Epicurus illicitly redefines 'pleasure' to mean mere neutral quiescence, violating ordinary linguistic usage.
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    • 2.If absence of pain constitutes the 'most complete' pleasure, then dreamless sleep and unconsciousness would represent the highest human good.
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    • 3.A theory entailing that unconsciousness is the pinnacle of wellbeing contradicts the broadly defensible intuition that the good requires positive experiential content.
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    The usual way to understand the pleasure of freedom from pain and from distress is by way of the distinction between kinetic pleasures and katastematic, or what are, following Cicero, misleadingly called ‘static’ ones (Diogenes Laertius X 136). The name of the former implies motion and the name of the latter implies a state or condition. The reason the distinction is important is that freedom from pain and from distress is a state or condition, not a motion. Epicurus holds not only that this sta
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    Katastematic pleasure refers to a state or condition, not a motion.
    Pleasure and pain are phenomenologically distinct experiential states, not merel...
    The absence of pain lacks the positive qualitative character that defines pleasu...
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