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    If animalism is true, any scenario allowing earlier organ... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→The thought experiment might provide a way in which a human organism could have come into existence far earlier than she did, but it does not provide a way in which a person could have come into existence far earlier.

    If animalism is true, any scenario allowing earlier organismic existence ipso facto allows earlier personal existence, undermining Kaufman's asymmetry.

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    • 1.Animalism identifies persons with biological organisms, so organism identity conditions determine person identity conditions.
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    • 2.If an organism exists at time T, the same organism (by continuity) exists at earlier stages of development without personal identity gaps.
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    • 3.Kaufman's asymmetry requires personal identity to come apart from organismic identity, but animalism logically forbids this divergence.
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    • 1.Animalism can distinguish between 'organism existence' and 'organism-as-person existence' through functional or psychological thresholds.
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    • 2.Kaufman's asymmetry might rest on capacities (rationality, self-awareness) that emerge later than mere biological continuity begins.
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    • 3.Early developmental organisms lack the integrated cognitive architecture required for personhood even if the biological entity persists.
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