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    It is not the case that If deserved suffering were intrinsically good, we would be obligated to maximize it, yet no retributivist accepts that torturing a murderer indefinitely becomes progressively better—revealing the 'inherent good' claim is incoherent.

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    • 1.Intrinsic goods can have diminishing marginal value or satiation points without ceasing to be intrinsically good.
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    • 2.Retributivists may limit punishment via proportionality principles, not because suffering lacks intrinsic value, but because excess violates fairness.
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    • 3.The argument conflates 'unlimited maximization is obligatory' with 'intrinsic goodness,' but constraints on maximization don't negate intrinsic value.
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    • 1.If X is intrinsically good, rational agents should want more of X when possible, all else equal.
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    • 2.Retributivists don't endorse infinite torture, suggesting they don't believe deserved suffering is intrinsically good.
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    • 3.Therefore, retributivism relies on instrumental or threshold-based justifications, not intrinsic goodness claims.
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