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    If deviant causal chains undermine veridical perception i... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→In the auditory case, the premise that you can hear a sound without an environmental cause present is true, because hearing a sound produced by loudspeakers is not a hallucination.

    If deviant causal chains undermine veridical perception in vision (Grice, Goldman), they equally undermine the claim that loudspeaker hearing is non-illusory.

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    • 1.Deviant causal chains (perception → neural event → artifact) break the required direct causal link between object and perceptual experience.
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    • 2.Loudspeaker hearing involves deviant chains: sound source → electrical signal → speaker vibration → air waves → ear, not direct acoustic contact.
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    • 3.If we accept deviant chain theory in vision, consistency demands applying it equally across sensory modalities regardless of technological mediation.
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    • 1.Deviant causal chains matter only when they bypass the normal causal mechanism; loudspeaker chains preserve acoustic causation (sound waves), not bypass it.
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    • 2.Vision's deviant chains typically involve hallucinations or misrepresentation; loudspeaker hearing accurately represents the original source's acoustic properties.
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    • 3.The speaker is a legitimate instrument, not an interference; we don't call microscope vision illusory despite causal mediation by lenses.
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    Deviant causal chains (perception → neural event → artifact) break the required ...Deviant causal chains matter only when they bypass the normal causal mechanism; ...If we accept deviant chain theory in vision, consistency demands applying it equ...In the auditory case, the premise that you can hear a sound without an environme...
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    Loudspeaker hearing involves deviant chains: sound source → electrical signal → ...The speaker is a legitimate instrument, not an interference; we don't call micro...Vision's deviant chains typically involve hallucinations or misrepresentation; l...

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