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    If God removed all matter within a vessel such that nothi... — Carmelics
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    If God removed all matter within a vessel such that nothing remained, the sides of the vessel would immediately become contiguous.

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    • 1.Space cannot exist separately from body.
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    • 2.Without matter, there is no extended substance to constitute the space between the vessel's sides.
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    • 3.Nothingness cannot possess any extension.
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    • 1.God's omnipotence entails the ability to create and sustain any logically coherent state, including a bounded region devoid of matter.
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    • 2.A vacuum bounded by vessel walls is not self-contradictory, as More and Gassendi argued against Cartesian plenism.
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    • 3.Therefore the sides need not collapse together, since God could sustain the empty interval as a real, extended nothing.
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    • 1.Absolute space exists as a real, immovable container independent of material bodies, as Newton argued in the Scholium to the Principia.
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    • 2.If space persists after matter's removal, an extended void separates the vessel's sides, and they need not become contiguous.
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    Descartes’ many hypotheses concerning space and body are best appreciated when viewed as a continuation of a long debate within Medieval/Renaissance philosophy centered upon the Aristotelian dictum that whatever possessed dimensionality was body (see, Grant 1981). While some philosophers, such as Telesio, Campanella, and Bruno, held space to be always filled with matter (i.e., a plenum) yet somehow independent of matter, others, like Patrizi and Gassendi, endorsed a more absolutist notion that a
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