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    If modes ultimately follow from Substance's own nature (Ip16), the causal chain terminates in immanent self-causation, not in another mode—making 'something else' ambiguous enough to undermine the claim's scope.

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    • 1.Ip16 establishes that effects follow necessarily from Substance's nature, making external causation logically impossible.
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    • 2.If modes depend on Substance but Substance depends on nothing else, the causal chain must terminate in self-causation, not regress.
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    • 3.'Something else' causation would require Substance to depend on another being, contradicting its definition as infinite and self-determined.
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    • 1.Modes can have determinate causes in other modes without requiring Substance's self-causation to be their ultimate source of determination.
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    • 2.The distinction between immanent and transitive causation allows modes to cause modes while Substance remains self-caused—no ambiguity needed.
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    • 3.'Something else' need not mean external being; it can mean 'another mode,' which Spinoza explicitly permits as legitimate efficient causation.
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    Key Terms

    Ip16(as used in academic citations)
    This is a reference notation meaning 'Part I, Proposition 16' from a philosophical text (usually Spinoza's Ethics). It's a shorthand way philosophers use to cite a specific argument or claim from a book.
    causal chain(Avicenna's cosmological argument in Ilāhiyyāt VIII)
    An ordered series of causes within a given causal type (formal, material, efficient, or final) that Avicenna argues must terminate in a First Cause
    immanent self-causation(as used in causation and metaphysics)
    When something causes itself or arises from its own nature, rather than being caused by something outside of it. 'Immanent' means 'coming from within' rather than from outside.
    modes(Spinoza's ontology distinguishing substance, attributes, and modes)
    Modifications of substance under an attribute; what appear to be individuated bodies are modes of substance under the attribute of Extension, not independently existing things
    substance(Spinoza's metaphysics; criteria include (i) necessity and (ii) self-subsistence)
    The fundamental existent that is wholly necessary and self-subsistent, not depending on anything else for its existence

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