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    It is not the case that If modes ultimately follow from Substance's own nature (Ip16), the causal chain terminates in immanent self-causation, not in another mode—making 'something else' ambiguous enough to undermine the claim's scope.

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    • 1.Modes can have determinate causes in other modes without requiring Substance's self-causation to be their ultimate source of determination.
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    • 2.The distinction between immanent and transitive causation allows modes to cause modes while Substance remains self-caused—no ambiguity needed.
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    • 3.'Something else' need not mean external being; it can mean 'another mode,' which Spinoza explicitly permits as legitimate efficient causation.
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    • 1.Ip16 establishes that effects follow necessarily from Substance's nature, making external causation logically impossible.
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    • 2.If modes depend on Substance but Substance depends on nothing else, the causal chain must terminate in self-causation, not regress.
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    • 3.'Something else' causation would require Substance to depend on another being, contradicting its definition as infinite and self-determined.
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