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    It is not the case that If passions are constitutively good or evil rather than instrumentally so, the premise that good and evil require reference to an end is itself contestable within the broader ancient tradition.

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    • 1.Aristotle's eudaimonia framework, foundational to ancient ethics, explicitly grounds all virtue in the end of human flourishing.
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    • 2.Even Stoic 'constitutive goods' (virtue) serve the end of living according to nature, making them ultimately teleologically justified.
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    • 3.The claim conflates logical independence from ends with metaphysical independence; passion-value may be analyzable without reference to ends.
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    • 1.Stoic philosophy treated virtue as intrinsically good regardless of outcomes, suggesting value independent of instrumental ends.
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    • 2.Plato's Form of the Good transcends teleological reasoning, implying goodness exists as absolute quality, not just means to ends.
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    • 3.If all value required reference to ends, infinite regress threatens unless some final good is intrinsically valuable, not instrumental.
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