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    Challenges→The motivation for self-deceptive belief formation should be restricted to a desire to believe that p.

    If the motivating desire were always a desire to believe p, self-deception would require implausibly sophisticated meta-cognitive awareness of one's own belief-formation processes prior to being deceived.

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    • 1.Self-deception typically occurs pre-reflectively; people don't consciously monitor their belief-formation before being deceived.
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    • 2.Attributing meta-cognitive awareness to self-deceivers creates an explanatory paradox: how can one simultaneously lack and possess awareness?
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    • 3.Simpler models posit unconscious motivations directly shaping perception, requiring no prior introspective access to one's own processes.
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    • 1.People routinely exhibit implicit meta-cognitive competence without explicit awareness—we navigate social situations using tacit self-knowledge.
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    • 2.The claim conflates conscious introspection with meta-cognitive sophistication; gradual learning about one's biases requires no implausible insight.
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    Self-deception(Zhu Xi's account of wrongdoing)
    Allowing oneself to ignore the promptings of one's moral sense and become motivated solely by physical desires
    belief-formation processes(what you'd need to be aware of before being deceived)
    The steps and methods your brain goes through to create and accept beliefs.
    implausibly(describing the level of self-awareness required)
    In a way that seems unreasonable or hard to believe as actually happening.
    meta-cognitive awareness(describing sophisticated self-knowledge)
    Thinking about your own thinking—being aware of how your mind works and how you form beliefs.
    motivating desire(as a reason for self-deception)
    A want or wish that drives you to do something or think a certain way.

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