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    It is not the case that If the threshold quantity of suffering necessary to produce serious moral agents and deep compassion is empirically indeterminate, then a large n of suffering cases cannot by itself lower the probability of theism without begging the question against these theodicies.

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    • 1.Empirical indeterminacy of a threshold doesn't immunize claims from evidence; we judge proportionality without precise quantification constantly.
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    • 2.The sheer scale of suffering (animal predation, childhood cancer, etc.) provides strong inductive grounds regardless of exact threshold uncertainty.
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    • 3.Theodicies claiming suffering necessity bear their own burden; invoking indeterminacy to avoid scrutiny reverses proper evidential responsibility.
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    • 1.If we cannot empirically determine the minimum suffering needed for moral development, we lack grounds to say any amount exceeds what's necessary.
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    • 2.Without knowing the threshold, assuming N cases of suffering are excessive begs the question by presupposing the theodicy is false.
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    • 3.Empirical indeterminacy shifts burden of proof to the critic to show suffering exceeds unknown requirements, not to theists to justify it.
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