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    If there is no enduring organizational locus, the 'cohere... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Consciousness is an autopoietic system — a self-creating and self-organizing system.

    If there is no enduring organizational locus, the 'coherent growth' in the supporting argument is better explained by neural causation than self-creation.

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    • 1.Neural processes exhibit causal closure: brain states fully determine behavioral outputs without requiring a separate organizational entity.
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    • 2.Coherent growth patterns in organisms correlate precisely with identifiable neural development, suggesting neural causation is sufficient.
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    • 3.Positing an additional 'self' organizing growth violates parsimony when neural mechanisms already explain the observed coherence.
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    • 1.Neural causation describes *how* growth occurs, not *why* it remains unified across time—a distinct explanatory burden requiring an organizing principle.
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    • 2.'Self-creation' need not posit immaterial substance; it can mean emergent organizational properties that neural reductionism systematically omits.
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    • 3.The claim equivocates 'locus' with 'entity'—distributed neural networks can constitute an organizational locus without traditional localization.
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